The Antiquity of Dinosaurs



Where to even start on this one...

Evolution, any version of it, demands expanses of time which are vast compared to anything we know about human history on this planet. School children are still being taught that dinosaurs died out tens of millions of years ago, typically 65M - 150M or thereabouts depending on the type of dinosaur. In particular, bringing dinosaurs into the age of man would pretty much flatten all versions of evolution since it would not allow time for any of them.

Now, it's been known for some time that there were bits and pieces of evidence lying around which were totally out of keeping with this standard view but, prior to the present internet age, it was always possible for ideologically committed darwinists to keep a lid down on this sort of information and prevent the public from having access to it. In the present internet age, that is no longer possible, and the facade is starting to crumble.

There are now a number of websites dedicated to providing this information to the public. for instance:

There are recognizable dinosaurs images drawn on canyon walls and around lakes and rivers at various North American sites, which are called "petroglyphs" or rock art. One very clear sauropod images occurs at Natural Bridges Utah:

Another sauropod image turned up in the 1920s with the Doheney Scientific Expedition in Arizona:

There is at least one tricerotops glyph in North America:

And then you have the case of the stegosaur, which Indians called "Mishipishu" or "water panther". Indian oral traditions describe Mishipishu as having red fur, a sawblade back and a "great spiked tail" which he used as a weapon. Glyphs around rivers and lakes were basically warnings meaning "caution, one of these lives here". Louis and Clarke noted that their Indian guides were in mortal terror of these glyphs around the Mississippi river. Several such glyphs survive today, most notably the one at Agawa Rock, Lake Superior (Masinaw):

American Indians habitually touched such glyphs up every few decades and the horns were added at a much later date by a painter who assumed the creature needed them.  Amerind oral traditions describe Mishipishu (the "water panther") as having red fur, a saw-blade back, and a "great spiked tail" which he used as a weapon;  Vine Deloria noted that this was basically a description of a stegosaur.

In fact a better images survives on a column stone at Angkor, Cambodia:

The temples at Angkor date from around 800 years ago so that the question becomes less whether the stegosaur survived into the age of man and more whether he survived into AD times in a few remote places.

Then again, there is the recent case various kinds of soft tissue turning up in dinosaur remains:

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Image: Tissues of a Tyrannosaurus rex.

This stuff is turning up in various kinds of dinosaur remains, including at least one mosasaur which radio-carbon dated to around 25,000 years.  Nothing over around 55,000 years old will have any radio-carbon in it.

Not that you'll find any lack of "scientists" proposing ways such tissue could have lasted 65,000,000 years, nonethless the idea is clearly ludicrous. It would have to have never rained in Montana or the Dakotas for millions of years...

More recently proteins from that tissue have been analyzed and turn out to be nearly identical with those of a chicken (do searches on 'tyrannosaur' , 'soft tissue', and 'chicken') so that the trex is seen to be basically a big chicken with sharp teeth. He'd almost certainly have tasted like chicken.

Then again, the bible and to a greater extent the full body of rabbinical literature (midrashim) describe several kinds of animals which are quite certainly leftover dinosaurs, including the reem, behemoth, ziz bird, and several others.

Again prior to the internet age that kind of information was difficult to get a look at. At present, Louis Ginzberg's Legends of the Jews is online:

All of this adds up to a big picture view which simply ruins the basis of evolutionism and, in fact, there is now at least one museum open to the public which shows humans and dinosaurs walking around together:

Something like 40,000 people went through that thing the first month it was open. Clearly a day is approaching in which anybody trying to talk about tens of millions of years in front of any sort of an American classroom is going to encounter kids who have been through that museum, and you assume that a lot of hundred-dollar shows and non-meetings of the mind are in store.


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